A place to discuss waterfalls. Including the parks that house them and the hikes to get to them.
Administrator's Note - This property is now labeled as private property - no trespassing - the owner has stated that violators will be prosecuted. See below. - added 7/26/2008
I probably should have mentioned something in the Where Are You Headed topic as I had this on my calendar months ago but I forgot!... Yesterday we went on a hike to Arkwright Falls with the Chautauqua County Hiking Club. I'll admit, we were basically just tagging along so we would know exactly how to get here, but we did meet a bunch of cool people in the group. Also, I've heard rumors that you have to cut across private property to access the creek so I made the assumption that these people had made prior arrangements to be allowed to do that.
The first treat in this creekwalk is a VERY narrow side gully that eventually gets to only a few feet wide at its narrowest. Eventually you encounter a really neat ribbon waterfall. I've done some internet searches and found that there's allegedly a 50' falls beyond this but it seemed nearly imporrible to get past this falls. There's lots of interesting water-carved shale formations similar to Watkins Glen in here.
Then we continued on to Arkwright Falls itself. It was worth the mile or so creekwalk even though the water level was really low.
...and from the top...
Last edited by Matt on Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Added administrator's note.
I found this info about access
The Arkwright Falls can be reached from the state land trail starting on Burnham Road or from Ball Road. Sector A is the parking lot on Park Road and Rt. 72.
Fredonia Teen Hospitalized After Fall
I want to thank you posting that article. The previous poster is wrong. My family owns Arkwright falls, there is no stateland leading to it. As of the incident anyone we or the DEC catches there WILL BE PROSICUTED for tresspassing. The 6 bags of beer cans, tiki torches, clothes, uneaten food, 100 rounds of .22 ammo & fresh cut trees (stealing) we found last night is UNACCEPTIBLE. ALL ropes have been CUT & REMOVED. Jumping, kayaking, camping & climbing will not tolerated anymore. POSTED signs have been replaced AGAIN TOO BAD so many good people have to suffer from the choices of sooo very few.
That is very unfortunate! I'm so sorry to hear that you've had problems there. It's an all too familiar story.
Finger Lakes Mill Creek Cabins
This is a sad story as I reside very close to this location. We went there many times during the spring, summer and fall and never noticed a private property sign; my apologies for trespassing. My children are very upset and cry every time they want to go and explore the country side as there are many spots we have not been to. The pond at the opening of the gorge was a spot we went to for a rest and always stopped to adore. As for the ropes, we did swing on them at the waterfalls and the side of the gorge. We used to climb the sides and hike all over that place. The litter is a crying shame. I do agree. I can not see how people can just not care about our resources.
An idea; start guided tours like once a week during the spring, summer and fall? I know I would definitely pay the price no matter what it is. I have been going there for many years as has all my cousins and their cousins.
Unfortunately, allowing people onto the property, especially invited, has a whole bunch of liability issues. From swinging from ropes, to just plain hiking, can get a land owner into hot water. Even if the visitor waves all rights, it's probably stressful or emotionally taxing at the very least when a tragedy does occur.
This site serves both as a place for virtually hanging a "posted sign" like with this and also as a resource for learning about and sharing the thousands of other waterfalls we CAN visit. There are plenty more to explore.
There are a couple of things that can be done. For one, as members of this community and enthusiasts, we tend to have more respect for the land that we traverse. Hopefully the responsibility that we culture here has an impact on how these lands are treated and we avoid angering any landowners kind enough to leave their glens open. There also the possibility that by respecting landowner's land and welcoming them to our community and by demonstrating responsibility, they may allow our group to "tour" their glens and falls or whatever. I have been invited a few times to visit private falls, but my priority now it to cover public ones.
Secondly, by supporting agencies like the Finger Lakes or Genesee Valley Land Trusts and the Nature Conservancy, we support the possibility of easements and acquisitions that may preserve places like these and possibly open them to the public (like with Grimes Glen).
this is true...Many people do make the effort to preserve these sacred lands; it is the few that mess it up as they have no real understanding as to what they are destroying. Speaking of Glens Falls and the Finger Lakes, I have been there many times and enjoyed them even with the pollution/trash that is in them and around the rims of the lakes.
With all due respect, we all need to put forth the effort to maintain these lands...
Good discussion, a few points...
1. You are not likely to be charged with trespass unless the land in question is fenced, improved or adequately posted. It is not trespassing to enter unposted, unfenced, unimproved property unless YOU have been told (orally, in writing, or by means of a sign) by the OWNER not to enter. If you leave when requested by the owner or a law enforcement officer, you are unlikely to be charged with trespass unless you have committed some further violation such as an act of vandalism, public intoxication, etc.
2. Carrying and using a trash bag while hiking any waterfall or creek actively demonstrates your respect for the land and for the landowner. Obviously destroying natural features or leaving trash behind are likely to increase your risk of being charged with trespass.
3. Respect posted signs. There are plenty of unposted places to explore.
Have fun, be safe, be respectful,