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Excelsior Glen trail guide/map collaboration

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Re: Excelsior Glen trail guide/map collaboration

Postby spec » Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:28 pm

Matt wrote:I wont be able to make it this weekend (though I want to in order to hammer out this guide). Thanks a great deal for the major map correction (I'm loving this collaboration thing). It really puts things into perspective for me. That last falls.... Hmmm I don't think I have a picture of it.

I was looking at some historical records for Watkins Glen tourism for some of the heights and names Sullivan falls, or Empire Falls is what the large waterfall here is often referred to.


No problem on the corrections. I'm enjoying it!

I will add Sullivan to the aka's in the description on the google map.

That last falls: I posted a pic of it here last fall from my point-n-shoot with ben standing in front of it. (last pic of this post) Depending on time/safety factors while I'm there this weekend, I'll try to get some better shots. I'd bet it's quite pretty all covered with snow and ice, I'm just concerned about the trek gettin' up there! :)

I've said before, I don't need much encouragement to go to Excelsior, so whenever you're planning on going drop me a line and I'll be there. I definitely do not recommend anyone going alone their first time through the glen. FLT? Fine. But not the glen.

(and yeah, the collaborative thing rocks!)
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Re: Excelsior Glen trail guide/map collaboration

Postby spec » Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:30 pm

hobkyl wrote:Sorry can't make it either. What a year its been...my dad had a disabilitating stroke in March, my girlfriends mother had a heartattack in August and my mother had one and had triple bypass surgery yesterday. So between being at the hospital for her and staying with my dad...my weekend and next several weeks are tied up.



Understandable, Kyle. I'll keep you guys in my thoughts and prayers.
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Re: Excelsior Glen trail guide/map collaboration

Postby spec » Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:15 am

I'm going to be scratching my trip this weekend. I don't want to do this one alone for safety reasons, and both people who said they'd go have backed out. One of them was going to be running GPS for me. (I don't have one) In addition, there's no snow on the ground after the warmer temps the past few days, so my goal of getting snowy waterfall pics (for myself as well as this month's contest) is washed out too. All in all, today isn't off to the greatest start! Definitely will try again either later this week or next weekend. Hell or high water, I will have the data for trail corrections by the end of next weekend. If it wasn't so cold, I'd go today anyway, but it's a little too chilly for a 'just' a walk in the glen without a goal, plus we're being threatened with snow down this way and through the Montour area as well..... dangit.

So yeah -- anyone free next weekend and wanna join me? Right now, weather looks to be right around 30 degrees, and partly cloudy. It _is_ a full week away, so it could actually be 70 and sunny by the time the day comes.
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Re: Excelsior Glen trail guide/map collaboration

Postby spec » Sun Jan 02, 2011 7:12 pm

spec wrote: If it wasn't so cold, I'd go today anyway, but it's a little too chilly for a 'just' a walk in the glen without a goal, plus we're being threatened with snow down this way and through the Montour area as well..... dangit.


So today ended up being a freakin' beautiful day after all. I had already re-committed to other things and couldn't get away when I realized that the weather wasn't going to turn as predicted. :angry:
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Re: Excelsior Glen trail guide/map collaboration

Postby Matt » Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:56 pm

no problem.
Should the page have two written trail guides? one for the FLT and the other for going up the glen?
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Re: Excelsior Glen trail guide/map collaboration

Postby spec » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:43 pm

Matt wrote:no problem.
Should the page have two written trail guides? one for the FLT and the other for going up the glen?



I was wondering about that myself. Perhaps sections for detailed descriptions of each trail (FLT, through the glen, and that other longer spur trail that crosses to the north rim from the FLT), then a "suggested loops" blurb/list that outlines a few different possible trail combos? i.e. "If you're content viewing the falls from above, you can take the FLT to the top of the gorge and return the same way. If you're looking for a good workout, take the FLT to the North Spur Trail(*), continue on that until the base of Excelsior Falls, join the gorge trail for the climb, then return to the road via the FLT. If you're looking to get heads on views of all the falls, your best bet is the gorge trail to the base of the big falls, then you can return by reversing course, climbing the falls and catching the FLT, or taking the North Spur Trail back to the FLT."

(*) or whatever that trail gets called in the end

Also, there IS cell service throughout almost the entire glen. I think that's something that may be important for the safety conscious to know.
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Re: Excelsior Glen trail guide/map collaboration

Postby Matt » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:26 am

Ok... I think the map is excellent. Thanks for all the detail. It's far ahead of what I had. Thanks.
Should we add the extension to Jolly Rd and alternate parking?


Now for the trail guide... most of which is based on the writing Andy added to the map...


Difficulty: Moderate to Very difficult. There is a combination of creek walking and moderately strenuous trail climbing along the outskirts of the gorge. Less strenuous if you take advantage of the trails. Very difficult if you creak-walk and climb the waterfalls all the way. Is this good, can I lock it down?

Distance: The Finger Lakes Trail is about a half-mile one-way. The trails to the lower falls is just a 10th of a mile one way. A hike/climb directly up the gorge all the way to the last falls is roughly a half-mile one way.
based on the measurements Google Earth gives me.

Markings: A Finger Lakes trail kiosk and trail register can be found at the first junction, just a tenth of a mile in. The trail is clearly marked with white blazes on the trees. The other trails are unmarked.
good?

Description:
The Finger Lakes Trail: (green) Initially, the FLT heads north between the cliffs along the Rt 414 and the guardrail until it hits the gully, where it makes a 90 right/east turn and heads into the glen. The trail is quite narrow through here, descending for a short way, then climbing back up a steep slope to a slightly leveled area. The FLT Trail Register box is on a tree to your right. As you look at that tree, you can see the white blazes to the right, leading further up the hill. The trail loops up the hill towards the road, then turns back and starts a long, steep ascent. There are actually two routes through here. One is the old FLT, and follows closer to the rim of the gorge. It is steeper, and footing is not as good, although it is shorter and more scenic (IMO). The white blazes have been removed from the trees, but a keen eye can spot the discolorations left behind and follow the trail.

The new FLT is a reroute that was done within the past couple years. It takes a more gradual (but still fairly steep) incline going south along another rock wall then turns almost 180° back around on itself, continuing the gentler incline east/northeast to merge with the original trail. From there, it gets a bit steeper as it follows the gorge rim up to Excelsior Falls. Near the top after it levels out, it does follow what may be an old farm road or herd path, and it takes an easily missed turn OFF that path to the left/northeast where it heads towards the glen for the crossing. Stay alert for this turn -- you end up exiting the woods into a farmer's field if you miss it. The trail slopes gently back down to the creek, and crosses at the crest of a nice waterfall. The adventurous can leave the trail early and get into the creek for a great view of this falls head on.

Follow downstream for the spectacular view from the top of Excelsior Falls (AKA Empire Falls). Go upstream for a few more smaller cascades. Continue on the FLT to emerge on Jolly Rd. *NOTE* The majority of the FLT north of the creek crosses private property. Please respect the landowner who has graciously allowed the volunteers of the FLT Conference to build and maintain this trail for our use.
Sound easy to follow to me. Good?

Lower Falls Creek-walk: (blue) Moderate difficulty. Carefully climb down the side of the drainage culvert and into the creek, then head upstream a short distance for a spectacular view of the lower falls.
Sound easy to follow to me. Good?

Creek Walk and Climb: (red) Very difficult. Experienced hikers and climbers only. See our safety tips prior to taking this path. This part of the creek-walk starts at the base of Emerald Falls. The beginning and ending portions of this route are what makes it 'advanced.' It starts with the climb of Emerald Falls, advances on mostly level terrain through the creekbed for rest of the way, then ends with climbing Excelsior Falls (Empire Falls) and intercepting the FLT.
I know it's more complicated than this, but I think this is enough for now. Good?
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Re: Excelsior Glen trail guide/map collaboration

Postby spec » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:42 am

Matt wrote:Ok... I think the map is excellent. Thanks for all the detail. It's far ahead of what I had. Thanks.
Should we add the extension to Jolly Rd and alternate parking?


Now for the trail guide... most of which is based on the writing Andy added to the map...

..snip..

...Falls, advances on mostly level terrain through the creekbed for rest of the way, then ends with climbing Excelsior Falls (Empire Falls) and intercepting the FLT.
I know it's more complicated than this, but I think this is enough for now. Good?



So far so good! I need to correct the upper part of the FLT as it is on our map right now, and yes I would like to put the Jolly Rd end of things on there. That needs to wait til I or someone can get up there and plot it. Oddly, for as many times as I've been to Excelsior, I've never done that end of the trail, tho I have scouted it using the FLT maps and Schuyler tax maps, and I've driven by the trailhead on Jolly Rd. There is room for 4 or 5 cars at that end.

I also need to plot the new FLT vs. old FLT in that lower stretch there. I plan on taking my pedometer when next I go so I can confirm trail distances. All in all I say its coming together nicely.
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Re: Excelsior Glen trail guide/map collaboration

Postby spec » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:52 am

I just put a yellow line in for a rough idea of where the new FLT reroute goes. I will correct that when I get the plots. I figure to put that in green, and put the old FLT in yellow when it's set.
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Re: Excelsior Glen trail guide/map collaboration

Postby Matt » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:20 pm

Ok.. the page may go live before you can correct it, so I'll have a disclaimer in there about it all being approximate.
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