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Postby cbobcat49 » Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:47 pm

This is on Catlin Mill Creek on the east side of the village of Montour Falls. There's a series of 5-6 small to medium sized falls on this creek. This photo shows the first 2. It's impossible to creekwalk the whole way up the creek but there's a trail that goes along the right side at the top of the gorge and you can look down in. The trail follows the path of an old raceway. You can see places where it was cut right through the shale rock. Very interesting.

The owners of the B&B we stayed at said that the creek itself is owned by the village and many citizens have been lobbying to get a park established there. So far there's only a green sign that says "Catlin Mill Creek Waterfalls". (or something like that) The woods opposite the gorge trail (on the right, opposite the creek) is heavily posted so try not to venture off into the woods if you go here.

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Postby Matt » Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:24 pm

interesting. Looks like a good amount of flow too. A park would be nice. Hopefully in the future, as we grow, we can help support fundraising for development of parks.
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Re: Deckertown Falls

Postby spec » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:01 am

What's the best way to get in there? I'm looking on Google Earth right now and it looks like E Catlin Street goes into the woods to a parking area. Is this correct? I also see there's a park or something on the other side of L'Hommedieu. The road is labelled Catherine Creek Park Rd. I'm thinking if Catlin St is a no-go, best bet would be to park in here, drop into the creek and head upstream.

I'm planning this to be one of my first climbs/treks this upcoming season. I'm hoping to conquer this, Havana Glen (Eagle Cliff and beyond), and Excelsior Glen in one day. I know I can do Excelsior round trip in roughly 2hrs, so I'm thinking I'd hit there first, head down to Deckertown, then to Havana Glen.
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Re: Deckertown Falls

Postby cbobcat49 » Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:28 am

You can park at the end of Catlin St.

So you think there's more falls in Havana Glen above Eagle Cliff? We saw kids up at the top of Eagle Cliff Falls last time we were there but we had no idea how they got up there.
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Re: Deckertown Falls

Postby spec » Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:09 am

(This should probably be in the Havana Glen thread, but what the hey... :))

I think there's at least one, maybe two good sized falls and possibly a few more smaller ones. I can't really tell with Google Earth, and Bing has no good imagery for this area (bummer).

Going upstream from Eagle Cliff, the creek goes east for a ways with perhaps a few smaller cascades along the way -- too many trees on Google to tell. The creek then makes a sharp turn to the south, then another quick turn back east and from the perspective I see on google, it looks like the creekbed is "closer to the camera" at that eastern turn, which to me infers a good drop. Beyond that, another sharp turn due south, then back east again. The stretch between turns looks like it may be similar to "Lower Cascades" (my name for it) in Conklin Gully -- a narrow channel dropping at a relatively shallow angle over a few "steps" in the rock, with 90 degree turns at both ends. Makes for a falls that is longer than it is tall. Now, it looks like the creek goes east (again, going upstream) for a ways in a deeper chasm, which bends a bit to the north. At the east end of this chasm, the creek again "comes closer," which again infers a falls, but I can't really tell with Google. There's another sharp southern turn here, and there doesn't appear to be anything else upstream from this. Topo appears to corroborate all this, tho I could be waaaaaay off. :) I'm very much looking forward to finding out! Unfortunately it's not really situated in an area where I can run visual recon this time of year, so it'll have to wait til things thaw out a bit. My main concern is land ownership. Anyone have links to Schuyler County GIS or tax maps? I've not been able to find much, but I also haven't spent too much time looking.

RE: getting to the top of Eagle Cliff... I'm sure Ben and I will find a way up to the top. That man is part monkey I swear. My main challenge when climbing is finding a good line to follow. Ben seems to be able to pick 'em out quite readily, and If he can find a way up, I can follow him. From looking at the pictures and topo, I'm thinking we'll probably end up climb up the gorge a bit downstream from the falls if we can and then drop back into the gorge above the falls. However we do it (and we will), I'll be sure to document it and share it here so others might be able to get up there too. :)

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Re: Deckertown Falls

Postby hobkyl » Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:45 am

Hmmm... for some reason the GIS maps are not working on Schuyler county's website. I would try contacting them. This is all I could find...it would be a starting point at least.

http://schuyler.sdgnys.com/quickstream.aspx?file=PDFMAPS/442889/087000.pdf
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Re: Deckertown Falls

Postby cbobcat49 » Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:32 pm

I'm checking out Google Earth right now. I see all those twists and turns you're talking about. You're right, when a creek does that there's a good chance there's some falls in there. I'm wondering if there's a trail to the upper part of the creek somewhere near the campground in Havana Glen Park? (on your right as you're driving through the park towards the falls.)
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Re: Deckertown Falls

Postby hobkyl » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:11 pm

For some reason the map isnt showing up from the link...yet it worked when I previewed it. Anyway...if you click on "Public Access" and then search properties along Havana Glen Road leaving the rest of the fields blank; a list of all properties on that road will come up. From there click the link for the first "Tax ID" which will bring you to a page specific for that property which you can find all tax related information on the property (ie: owner/address) Once you do that on the right side you will see "Maps". Click on "Show Tax Map (pdf) and it will bring up a map of the properties near the creek.
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Re: Deckertown Falls

Postby spec » Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:04 am

hobkyl wrote:For some reason the map isnt showing up from the link...yet it worked when I previewed it. Anyway...if you click on "Public Access" and then search properties along Havana Glen Road leaving the rest of the fields blank; a list of all properties on that road will come up. From there click the link for the first "Tax ID" which will bring you to a page specific for that property which you can find all tax related information on the property (ie: owner/address) Once you do that on the right side you will see "Maps". Click on "Show Tax Map (pdf) and it will bring up a map of the properties near the creek.



Excellent! I just spent the past hour and a half pouring over the maps and comparing with Google Earth etc... Looks like the park land continues on to about midway through the first south/east pair of turns I mentioned in my prev. post. Beyond that the creek is the property line between a large bit of farmland (parcel 87.00-1-59 on the southern side), and several parcels on the other side along Havana Glen Rd. The only two "of concern" on the northern side are 87.00-1-76 and 87.00-1-78. Looks promising! I think I'm going to attempt the hike before contacting landowners -- if it's posted, I'll turn back and make the necessary contacts. If it's not posted, then woohoo! ;)

And its NYFalls.com for the win _again_ in the quest of falling water!!! :)
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Re: Deckertown Falls

Postby spec » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:45 am

cbobcat49 wrote:I'm checking out Google Earth right now. I see all those twists and turns you're talking about. You're right, when a creek does that there's a good chance there's some falls in there. I'm wondering if there's a trail to the upper part of the creek somewhere near the campground in Havana Glen Park? (on your right as you're driving through the park towards the falls.)



I do see a trail on top of the left side of the gorge. And here's a question -- On Google Earth, I see two deep "gouges" along the stream, near the park proper, both with visibly larger falls. Which gouge is Eagle Cliff? Matt's GPS coords on the Havana Glen/Eagle Cliff page indicate that Eagle Cliff Falls is in the 2nd gouge upstream, but most of the pics in the Panoramio layer from Google Earth show it as being in the 1st gouge. With the limited viewing of Google Earth, it looks to me like the the first gouge more closely matches the pics. Again, the limits of Google Earth mean I could be way off, and having never been there before.... The trail I mentioned goes along the left side of the gorge between these two gouges. The lack of Bing imagery is killin' me! :)

I don't see anything along the right side, and if I read the tax maps correctly, the park doesn't own much land on that side beyond the mouth of the glen. Looks like they own a bit along the left side (where that trail is), though.
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Re: Deckertown Falls

Postby cbobcat49 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:35 pm

I do see that trail that you're talking about. Honestly, that could be just the regular trail you take to the falls. It's hard to tell where exactly it is elevation-wise when you're looking at something that's supposed to be 3D on a 2D computer screen. :| I think all the panoramio shots were placed there because whoever placed them put them at the first falls they saw on the creek. I think those first falls are the cascades you pass on the way to Eagle Cliff. Again, it's hard to tell when you're looking at it "compressed" on the computer. I'm now noticing there's a power line that approaches the glen from the north. I bet one could walk along that till you hit the edge of the cliff, then turn left (on that possible trail?) to get views of any potential other falls upstream.

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Re: Deckertown Falls

Postby spec » Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:31 pm

I attempted to check this out today. Things are a lot closer together than they appear to be on Google Earth. I don't know if there's any right-of-way along that power line or not, but it is REAL close to that house. Had there not been one of New York State's Boys-In-Blue driving behind me, I would have stopped and checked it out closer. :)

As it was, I stopped at Deckertown. Still a lot of ice, but I was able to get fairly close.

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