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Bruce's Gully, Yates Co.

Postby bremer » Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:27 am

Bruce's gully is a tributary to the Keuka outlet trail that enters the outlet approx 200 yards below cascade mills a.k.a. mays mills falls. Map I read somewhere that the friends of the outlet trail group planned to build a trail through Bruce's gully. I don't know if this means they already own the land or hope to someday but there is a nice trail up to the first falls and no posted signs. The catch to Bruce's gully is that you must cross the Keuka outlet, and so it will likely be inaccessible before June unless Spring has been very dry. I crossed directly across from the mouth of Bruces Gully and athough the bottom wasnt visible it wasnt more than knee deep along this line. I thought this might be a bit of an unknown gully but I found the usual artifacts (beer cans, fire pits). This place is particularly loaded with that bushy plant with small hairs that causes hives that last a few minutes and then disappear. Not sure if its the proper name but I've always called it 7 minute itch. I see it in every gully but in Bruce's its unavoidable once the trail ends. From what I can tell the largest falls is inaccessible. The walls of this gully are very steep and I didnt see anyway to get to the upper falls but you can check them out from Bing here The two falls that are easily accessed are in the 25'-40' range.

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Re: Bruce's Gully, Yates Co.

Postby spec » Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:03 am

Great shots and info!

I think that plant is called Nettles. More specifically, North American Stinging Nettles... And you're right, it's almost everywhere.
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Postby hobkyl » Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:06 am

Awesome Bremer! :up: :up:
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Re: Bruce's Gully, Yates Co.

Postby bremer » Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:34 pm

Thanks for the info thats definitely it! It seems like a pretty interesting plant. According to the wikipeda page, those hairs act like needles injecting several chemicals: acetylcholine, histamine, 5-HT or serotonin, and possibly formic acid
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Postby hobkyl » Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:20 pm

As scared as my fall @ clarks made me...id really like to explore this
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Postby spec » Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:39 pm

hobkyl wrote:As scared as my fall @ clarks made me...id really like to explore this



Give me a hollar when/if you do, I'll go with ya. I've been wanting to check out the Outlet Trail......
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Re: Bruce's Gully, Yates Co.

Postby spec » Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:11 pm

bremer wrote:Thanks for the info thats definitely it! It seems like a pretty interesting plant. According to the wikipeda page, those hairs act like needles injecting several chemicals: acetylcholine, histamine, 5-HT or serotonin, and possibly formic acid


Yuppers... It's actually a pretty useful lil plant. Various varieties of it are used in everything from foods to cosmetics. When I was still a wee tyke, I had a minor scalp problem which led to my hair being super super oily. The ONLY shampoos that worked to keep the oil under control were the ones with nettles extract in them.

When you DO get the 7 minute itch from the plant, it's best to NOT scratch at the itching -- you'll just end up spreading the oils around and irritating your skin [surface] more. Same with splashing water on it; they both provide temporary relief but in the long run it makes the reaction last longer. Anti-histimine or hydrocortisone ointments/creams are the best treatment if you have a severe reaction, but for the most part just bear with the itching and it'll go away on its own very shortly. In fact, when in the wild, splashing [untreated creek] water on it may be one of the worst things to do -- you can open yourself up to serious infection from whatever crap may be in the water entering your body through any of the plant's deeper injection sites. What starts as a minor irritation from the nettles could lead to days of severe pain and swelling from an infection, and believe me THAT'S no fun at all. ;) My experience with a "creek water infection" wasn't started with nettles but the result was the same. I dented my left shin on a rock at Grimes Glen last year, and didn't treat the wound with neosporin when I initially dressed it (dumbass move on my part). It VERY quickly became infected and my left leg from the knee down was swollen to the point that I had problems putting my pants and shoes on, and walking/standing on it was just plain painful. A doctor friend gave me some amoxycillin which cleared it up after a couple days, but it was a very unpleasant experience that I don't want to repeat any time soon, nor do I wish it upon anyone.

PS: Matt -- just thought you may want to know... the context-derived targeted advertising banner at the top of the page is working fine. :) It pulled out the ads for anti-itch and rash relief creams and treatments on this thread.
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Re: Bruce's Gully, Yates Co.

Postby Mark J » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:02 pm

It is nice to learn about an actual natural area and unaltered falls in the Outlet Trail area. The Outlet Trail has water, a trail and waterfalls, but the experience is more post-industrial than natural. The Outlet Trail is interesting to see but not a great waterfall experience. This gully looks far more intriguing.
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Re: Bruce's Gully, Yates Co.

Postby hobkyl » Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:34 am

bremer wrote: I don't know if this means they already own the land or hope to someday but there is a nice trail up to the first falls and no posted signs.


Went to check this out on Sunday...found a posted sign before I could see or hear falls. Maybe 300' yards in. Also a tent with a cooking tripod and campfire ring were near posted sign. Not sure if it was the owners or some kids. I am currently corresponding with Yates Co to try and get an owners name/address.
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Re: Bruce's Gully, Yates Co.

Postby bremer » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:59 am

Went to check this out on Sunday...found a posted sign before I could see or hear falls. Maybe 300' yards in. Also a tent with a cooking tripod and campfire ring were near posted sign. Not sure if it was the owners or some kids. I am currently corresponding with Yates Co to try and get an owners name/address.


Thats too bad, I didn't see any posted signs although I do remember a firepit just before the 1st falls. I often have mixed feelings about posting these somewhat unknown falls for which the land status is unknown. I want to share with the ny falls members, but once its on the internet the landowner may find it and choose to post the land. I really doubt that happened in this case but its just something I often think about.
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Re: Bruce's Gully, Yates Co.

Postby Mark J » Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:10 am

Many counties have land records available online. Combine these records with zillow.com maps, which typically show lot lines, and it's usually possible to determine ownership pretty quickly. Many destinations which cannot be accessed from one possible approach due to posting may be accessible from another approach. Also keep in mind that posted signs that do not carry the name of the current owner are generally meaningless under the law, as only the owner may post land. The only effective ways to make an area off limits to all users are to fence or post the entire perimeter. The law respects the owner's right to fence or post his land, but it also respects your right to access unfenced, unposted, unimproved land. Be a respectful visitor, carry out trash, respect lawful posted signs and you'll generally be okay.
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Re: Bruce's Gully, Yates Co.

Postby hobkyl » Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:14 am

I know what you mean Bremer. I was split on whether or not to post a couple that I did. However when I thought about it, the people who cause problems in these gullies more than likely dont visit this or any other website. They are the local kids who dump trash, spray paint, have fires...etc. I want to believe all that come to NYFalls.com are coming here because they respect falls and simply want to stand in awe in their mist.

I did locate the owner (who happens to be named Bruce-lol), and have a typed letter prepared to go in the mail tommorow am. Also if granted permission this may be the only way to view the top falls-through the farmland up on Henderson Road.
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