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Jeddo Creek Falls

Postby Falzguy » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:05 am

I know a little about Jeddo Creek Falls. But since nyfalls does not believe in giving me credit for my work you will have to visit my site at

http://www.geocities.com/falzguy.geo/je ... falls.html
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Re: Jeddo Creek Falls

Postby Matt » Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:42 pm

wouldn't posting the location of that particular falls promote trasspassing?

Hmmm...
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Re: Jeddo Creek Falls

Postby cbobcat49 » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:47 pm

I agree. If you're going to take a certain position on an issue you can't talk out of both sides of your mouth.
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Re: Jeddo Creek Falls

Postby Falzguy » Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:29 pm

The landowner approved the page. If the landowner does not have a problem with giving out the location information I don't see why either of you would.

Did you fail to read the following part of the page.
Please respect the wishes of the landowner and do not trespass to view this waterfall.

Why is nyfalls asking for information on this falls?

Why do you map the location of a falls when you do not know the property status?
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Re: Jeddo Creek Falls

Postby tjconheady » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:45 pm

i was going to visit this one last summer, no intentions on asking for permission as I didn't know exactly where it was

i guess now, i'll just have to wear my ghillie suit to get in to get pictures

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Re: Jeddo Creek Falls

Postby Falzguy » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:13 pm

Well now you know where it is and what the access status is. Enjoy! :D

Isn't this the point of the waterfall list on nyfalls?

tjconheady wrote:i was going to visit this one last summer, no intentions on asking for permission as I didn't know exactly where it was. i guess now, i'll just have to wear my ghillie suit to get in to get pictures


Do you regularly trespass to visit a waterfall? Since you have publicly stated that you will trespass to photograph this falls I assume the jail time will be longer when you get caught.

Why is nyfalls asking for information on this falls?
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Re: Jeddo Creek Falls

Postby Matt » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:22 pm

Falzguy wrote:Why do you map the location of a falls when you do not know the property status?


Why not? I believe I mark the status as unknown unless I have information to do otherwise.
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Re: Jeddo Creek Falls

Postby tjconheady » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:23 pm

Falzguy wrote:Do you regularly trespass to visit a waterfall? Since you have publicly stated that you will trespass to photograph this falls I assume the jail time will be longer when you get caught.


Actually, I'd rather just talk to the owner and we'll share a good laugh about Scott Ensminger
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Re: Jeddo Creek Falls

Postby backpacker » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:29 pm

I looked at the waterfall listing by county on the home page. For Jeddo Creek Falls “nyfalls is simply asking if you know anything about this let us know via forum.” There are many ways to find waterfalls thru out the state some have loads of info others have none. Nyfalls found Jeddo falls and is simple asking for more info.

Now Falzguy has info on the falls and states it’s on private land but with limited view from a public road, thus to a person interested in photographing this fall it’s worthless to visit due to the fact you can not get a good photograph of the entire setting.

The answer is simple on the home page listing of waterfalls we simply mark it as on private property or remove it. People are people if they see it or read about it and they want to visit it then they will and we can’t stop them, it’s the same with hunting, fishing and hiking. So the easiest thing to do is remove it from the list. Perhaps start a list of falls that can not be visited for whatever reason and the moderator is the only one with access to the list, this way if a new falls is questioned via the forum then the moderator can notify that person via pm the info of the fall and why its not listed.

As for recognition it’s not needed a simple thank you is all that’s needed. Why post in the forum any recognition to any waterfall that can’t be fully photographed in it’s full glory, that’s just asking for trouble.

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Re: Jeddo Creek Falls

Postby tjconheady » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:34 pm

Listing the waterfall makes absolutely no judgement nor prompts to do anything with that waterfall

in fact, asking the waterfall site land owner is certainly okay, falzguy would agree, or should since that's all that he does with his life, and how would you know who to ask if you didn't know where it was
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Re: Jeddo Creek Falls

Postby Matt » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:05 pm

I'd like to list whatever I can on the waterfall list and map, with the property status as I know it. (unless specifically asked by the owner not to provide coordinates). The ability to visit or photograph it has a lot to do with whether or no I will concern myself with a falls. A lot.

The issue here is that when I started my site I created the policy that I will list falls and their geographic coordinates (the information is readily available on the web) regardless of property status and that I would list the property status as I found out. If the status is private there will be no profile unless I am invited by the landowner to create one (without location info). Private falls would be marked as private.

When the site was starting fresh Falzguy was one of our first community members. He took it upon himself to make every discussion topic into an attack on the site about our policy of listing coordinates for private falls. On several occasions he accused me and my site of promoting trespassing. I explained that I cannot control people's actions and that they can either get the location off of Google earth or here. And if they get it from here, at least I will be making an effort to show online audiences that the falls is private and not accessible (most other sites just list coordinates or driving directions). My site would hopefully serve as an online "posted" notice that a site is not accessible, rather than someone finding the falls on Google and driving there to find out. (and if they made the trek, would they be so inclined to turn back?).

That wasn't enough for Falzguy and he continued to argue against us providing that information. I believe to the point were the few members we had at the time grew tired of it. I have heard from at least one property owner that they were told by a gentleman from the "waterfall survey" we were promoting trespassing on their property. In other instances Falzguy has told me he has discussed my site with other property owners, and from what he has e-mailed me, represented my policy incorrectly.

I have explained our policy numerous times and believe it to be the best for both outdoor enthusiasts and landowners.

It has been over a year and NYFalls has not creeped onto private property, taking photos or publishing driving directions to people's houses. To the best of my knowlege there have been no tresspassing pandemics around the areas covered by my site.

I just find it interesting that Falzguy, so intent on keeping me from providing info as I do, seems to have adopted my policy for his own site. Maybe I should be credited for that.

I also argue that NYFalls does credit contributors quite well (your name is next to your post and team members have credits in their profiles). If you believe that the information you collect is best kept to yourself, unless compensated (I recall one of the requests you had was for a banner linking to your site on each page) then I’m wondering if participating in an information sharing community like the one I have created is best suited for you.
If you don’t want to be a contributing member then don’t. Keep all that info to yourself. Give me a few years and I’ll have all of the information you have and more.
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Re: Jeddo Creek Falls

Postby Falzguy » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:07 pm

I do not think nyfalls found Jeddo Creek Falls. They have it listed in the wrong county just like another web site. I first visited the falls with a friend who lived in the area around 1988. There is a dam on the west branch of Jeddo Creek in Niagara County. It is for the Middleport reservoir. I have been told it is closed to access.

I don't even see a simple thank you for providing info on the falls. If I take the time to do the resurch I want the credit for it. When Matt takes a photo of a waterfall he wants credit for it. It is the same thing to me.

At the least posting the information will save you and others a needless trip to photograph or view the falls. Isn't this one of the points of the waterfall list on nyfalls? I believe Matt told me it was.
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